Sep 7, 2018

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Again the old story of vegetarians and non-vegetarians!?

Hon’ble Dhamma Guru,

Thank you very much for this meaningful aticle.

What was the object of the Buddha in creating the Bhikkhu? Or was his object to create a social servant devoting his life to service of the people and being their friend, guide and philosopher? This is a very real question. On it depends the future of Buddhism.

If the Bhikkhu is only a perfect man he is of no use to the propagation of Buddhism because though a perfect man he is a selfish man. If, on the other hand, he is a social servant he may prove to be the hope of Buddhism.

Once the Blessed Lord said, the Sangh was like the ocean, and the Bhikkhus were like the rivers that fell into the ocean. The river has its separate name and separate existence. But once the river entered the ocean, it lost its separate name and separate existence. It becomes one with the rest.
Same is the case with the Sangh. When a Bhikkhu entered the Sangh, he became one with the rest, like the water of the ocean. He lost his caste. He lost his status; so, said the Lord.
The Buddha has himself told the Bhikkhus what he expected of them as Bhikkhus. This is what he has said:
“He, who has cleansed himself from sin, is well grounded in all virtues, and endowed also with temperance and truth; he is indeed worthy of the yellow dress.

The disciples of Buddha are always well awake, and their thoughts day and night are always set on Buddha, their thoughts day and night are always set on the Dhamma. Their minds day and night always delight in compassion.

After becoming enlightened, The Buddha accepted any kind of food offered with respect as alms, but there is no any reference that as an ascetic he was eating meat during his seven years.

In Pali, the first precept is “Panatipata veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami; “I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking life.”The first precept consists of a prohibition of killing; both humans and all avoid harming any living thing, means that many Buddhists regard killing animals for food as wrong. As a result, many Buddhists turn to vegetarianism, cultivate a pure and clear mind, lies behind the Buddhist habit of eating plain food having lots of lentils, beans, soups, salads, and vegetable dishes.

Killing is the expression of a mental state rooted in greed, hatred, and delusion.Buddhists have always interpreted this precept to mean, not only a prohibition of murder, but also all kinds of violence against human beings and animals. Whilst killing animals is considered less unskilful than killing human beings (because animals have a less developed consciousness and because killing a person requires more deliberate will and effort), we still have a responsibility to limit the killing and other violence inflicted on animals as far as possible.

When we feel the suffering of every living thing in our own heart that is consciousness. Compassion for animals is intimately associated with goodness of character & it may be confidently asserted that he/she, who is cruel to animals, can not be a good man.
Look into animals eyes, they have the great power to speak a great language. Animals love is unconditional.

Thank you very much again Respected Dhamma Guru for this beautiful article & thank you very much dear friend May Hue Phap for your english translation.

May Buddha Dhamma Sangha bless us all & bless all beings in our province, town, village, country & world live with peace & harmony.
Neerajkumar Sumaran.

Vietnamese translation: Lại chuyện chay và mặn!?

Related post: “THREE KINDS OF PURE MEAT” (Đôi điều tự bạch về “Tam tịnh nhục”)

  1. Nguyên Thành says:

    The first part of your comment of that the Bhikkhu should be a social servant he may prove to be the hope of Buddhism is good.

    But you wrote that “After becoming enlightened, The Buddha accepted any kind of food offered with respect as alms, but there is no any reference that as an ascetic he was eating meat during his seven years.” You support the vegetarian, and criticize the non-vegetarian, don’t you?

    According to the Pāli Canon, Devadatta asked the Lord Buddha to adopt five tapas (literally, austerities) throughout the monks’lives in Sangha, one among them is that monks should abstain completely from fish and flesh. But the Lord Buddha refused to make the rules obligatory. For non-vegetarian eating, the Buddha affirmed in Vinaya, there is this rule (copied from Buddhist Monastic Code II): “I allow fish and meat that is pure in three respects: One has not seen, heard, or suspected (that it was killed on purpose for a bhikkhu).” — Mv.VI.31.14. It means I did not see the living thing killed for me. I did not hear the living thing killed for me. I have no suspicion that the living thing was killed for me.

    The Buddha stated that Buddhists should not follow ascetic practices, they should follow the Middle Path. Therefore, Buddhist practitioners should stay content with modesty; retain the Path, taking solely wisdom as career, including stay content with food, stay content with medicine, stay content with seat, clothing and stay content with accommodation. Devadatta did not follow the Lord Buddha’s words. As a result, he was reborn as a being in the hell realms after death.

    In addition, Emperor Wu of Liang supported the vegetarian in her life, but her actions of body, speech and mind were not in accordance with the holy text. As a result, she died of being hungry. In India, 90% people eat vegetarian but according to the statistics, there happens a case of rape in every 30 minutes. This makes everyone fearful to go to India. And Adolf Hitler was a strict vegetarian but he killed 5 millions Jewish people.

    If you support the vegetarian and criticize the non-vegetarian, it means that you criticize me, Guru Thinley Nguyen Thanh who neither clings to vegetarian nor non-vegetarian. I only follow the Buddha’s teachings of that Buddhists should stay content with modesty; retain the Path, taking solely wisdom as career. Besides, you also criticize the Guru Rinpoche, Padmasambhava, the founder of Tibetan Buddhism, who had non-vegetarian. And you also defamed the Buddha. You may violate the first precept of Vajrayana precepts, it goes: “disrespect and criticize your own Guru”. Moreover, you support the vegetarian; it means that you obstruct those who cannot have vegetarian due to their own difficult conditions to practice the Dharma. If so, you had better look for another Guru to learn from and another website to read. Because if you keep your wrong view in your mind, you will get nothing but losing your merit, even get the bad consequences due to your bad deeds.

    Some words with you, I hope you have right view to follow the path of liberation.

  2. Neerajkumar Sumaran says:

    Hon’ble Guru,

    First of all, I am apologized, please forgive me.

    Here, I am very sorry for not sharing my clear-cut views in my previous comment which spreading misunderstanding among the reader’s.

    Yes, i am vegetarian. But I am not a follower of vegetarianism. I am a follower of Buddhism.

    I want to clear here, I am not criticized or showing disrespect towards the Lord Buddha & my Hon’ble Guru.

    As i said, vegetarianism is not a criterion to judge people,  who is Buddhist or who is not.

    To avoid the unwanted misunderstanding, I again state that, the eating habits are totally depends on the geographical & atmospheric conditions. Following Buddhism is important not vegetarianism.

    I am not a supporter of any human who is interested in killing living beings. I am a supporter of nonviolence for the benefit of all living beings.

    In old article, Hon’ble Guru teach us about the habits of eating in accordance with the Blessed Lord’s teaching of 3 kinds of pure meat with giving appropriate example (eating meal with chanting Mani Mantra etc)

    Thank you very much again Dhamma Guru for your teaching to help me for clear understanding about the views of vegeterians & non vegeterians.

    I hope, I received blessings from Hon’ble Guru in future also.



    Neerajkumar Sumaran.



    • Kính bạch Thầy!
      Con xin phép được dịch comment của bạn đọc Neerajkumar Sumaran sang tiếng Việt như sau:
      “Kính bạch Thầy tâm linh tôn quý!
      Đầu tiên, con xin được sám hối trước Thầy, con xin Thầy tha thứ cho con.
      Và con xin sám hối vì con không viết rõ ý của con trong comment trước, gây hiểu lầm cho độc giả.
      Thưa Thầy, con là người ăn chay, những con không bám chấp và không theo chủ nghĩa trường chay, con tuân theo lời dạy của đức Phật.
      Và con không chỉ trích đức Phật và cũng không dám bất kính vị Thầy tôn quý.
      Con hiểu rằng ăn chay không phải là tiêu chí để xác định ai đó có phải là Phật tử hay không. Để tránh gây ra sự hiểu lầm, con xin thưa với Thầy là con hiểu rằng thói quen ăn uống phụ thuộc vào điều kiện địa lý và khí quyển. Được học theo đạo Phật mới là quan trọng, chứ không phải vấn đề chay mặn. Con chỉ không ủng hộ những Phật tử thích thú trong việc sát sinh. Con ủng hộ việc chống lại bạo lực vì lợi lạc của tất cả chúng sanh.
      Trong bài viết trước, Thầy tôn quý đã chỉ dạy con hiểu rõ về việc dùng thực phẩm mặn theo nguyên tắc tam tịnh nhục mà đức Phật đã đưa ra, đồng thời Thầy còn minh họa rất cụ thể rõ ràng, thuyết phục bằng phương pháp trì niệm thần chú khi thọ dụng sẽ giúp ích cho hữu tình.
      Một lần nữa con chân thành cảm tạ ơn Thầy đã luận giảng cho con hiểu rõ hơn về vấn đề chay mặn.
      Con cầu nguyện con nhận được ơn phước từ những lời dạy của vị Thầy tôn quý trong tương lai.
      Con – Neerajkumar Sumaran.”

    • Nguyên Thành says:

      I accept your apology. You should not make this mistake again. 

  3. Salvatore Antonio Fois says:

    Venerebol Guru.

    My name is tantra siramitra.

    Very interesting article!

    From my personal point of view, i think it is important to practis the Holly Dharma as it is described by the venerebol Guru, the rest it is based of having a good diet balanced, not to mouch meat, jus what is right for a balanced diet, with out any extreme or whotever, the main thing is to have a cliar mind! I don’t see the point of avoiding meat, and have a bad beaver to ourds ather sentient beans, it dousent make sense! Besides the point I’m not a big fan of of meat, specially red meat i do avoid as much i can, i do prefer a nice dish of beans instead, but like i said this is my personal opinion! I do believe that it is not what you eat in which makes you a good pratictioner, of the Holly Dharma! Of course i dont eat any wearied animals at all, but those my mothers yest put in my plait.

    May Avery one be happy.


  4. Neerajkumar Sumaran says:

    Thank you very much Dhamma Guru,

    i promise you, never happened again. 

    thank you again,


    Neerajkumar Sumaran

  5.  Tantra Mahavita says:

    Dear Holy Guru :Thank you very much for sharing such wonderful articles .When we feel the suffering of every living being in our own heart …that is consciousness ..That some conscience is the one that decides if it eats meat or not…Althought Budhha never spoke of the prohibition to eat meat . The love of the animals us incondicional…so that each one realizes his own value judgment .That our beloved Guru live happy and a long life for the benefit of all sentient beings , May all beings find the happiness of Budhha Nature .OM MANI PADME HUM

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